TSC-ALPA vs ACPA

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Competency/experience level of your Union to handle your needs-

ACPA- Does a good job
2
5%
ACPA- Needs to be open to suggestions/demographics
7
18%
ALPA- Does a good job
20
53%
ALPA- Needs to be open to suggestions/demographics
5
13%
Neither- I don't understand the full purpose of unions
4
11%
 
Total votes: 38

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TSC-ALPA vs ACPA

#1 Post by TheSocialChameleon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:48 pm

The industry has changed in Canada over the last two years. Big difference being a significantly younger demographics at Air Canada and the regionals.
Different age groups of employees means a different set of needs/priorities. What works for someone close to retirement doesn't help someone in their 20's.
The senior guys had the best pension and pay and do not relate to the incoming pilots. Vote above so we avCanadians can see the true picture.
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Re: TSC-ALPA vs ACPA

#2 Post by 98 Corolla » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:39 pm

I voted the I don't understand one. Air Canada was deemed an essential service by the federal government. I'm not sure exactly what a union at Air Canada has to bargain with anymore. Wages and working conditions will be set by the Canada Industrial Relations Board.
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#3 Post by altiplano » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:37 pm

Your poll looks like an ACPA poll...

None of the answers work for me.
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#4 Post by infiniteregulus » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:20 pm

98 Corolla wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:39 pm
I voted the I don't understand one. Air Canada was deemed an essential service by the federal government. I'm not sure exactly what a union at Air Canada has to bargain with anymore. Wages and working conditions will be set by the Canada Industrial Relations Board.
I've pondered this myself. Seems pretty pointless to negotiate anything at all if they just get screwed by the government every time. Why do the pilots even bother paying thousands of dollars for a union if the company has ALL the bargaining power? To me I don't think it's a problem with the pilots or the company, but rather the human rights aspect in how AC pilots are essentially slaves without say, to the demands of the Canadian citizens a la government. By that respect, they might as well be government employees with government benefits!
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#5 Post by CL-Skadoo! » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am

I picked up two huge bags of birdseed at TSC today. No need to let my little feathered friends go hungry in the cold.
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#6 Post by TheSocialChameleon » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:25 am

CL-Skadoo! wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am
I picked up two huge bags of birdseed at TSC today. No need to let my little feathered friends go hungry in the cold.
Sometimes you scream so loud, you cry for attention, but ironically no one's listening.
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#7 Post by ant_321 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:41 am

CL-Skadoo! wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am
I picked up two huge bags of birdseed at TSC today. No need to let my little feathered friends go hungry in the cold.
I only clicked on the thread to see if someone posted a smart remark. So at least someone is listening. I had a little chuckle as well for what it's worth.
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#8 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 am

Unions are earned....like a restraining order.

If your company has a union chances are you have some real chit heads in management, and probably a few in non management.

That said I've never heard of a google or Microsoft Union, and that's because those places take care of their people, they expect the best and treat their people like the best, thus no Union.


That said many union reps are pathetic and probably couldn't negotiate themselves out of a wet paper bag.

At my company our union is pretty weak, but our base, without the involvement of the Union, maneuvered ourselves to get some additional non union protected extra yearly pay, so I can say that myself and a couple of the other pilots at my base negotiated more pay for us than our union has. However without the union protections, which gave us leverage, that wouldn't have been possible.
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#9 Post by SuperchargedRS » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:03 am

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Re: TSC-ALPA vs ACPA

#10 Post by TheSocialChameleon » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:04 am

Alcoholism wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:50 am
TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:25 am
CL-Skadoo! wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am
I picked up two huge bags of birdseed at TSC today. No need to let my little feathered friends go hungry in the cold.
Sometimes you scream so loud, you cry for attention, but ironically no one's listening.
The only attention whore is you. If you need help there a 1 800 number you can find easily. Whack jobs like you should take a break from flying an airplane. A good mental vacation is perhaps what you need.

Additionally, you can count on your friends here at avcanada to support your endeavours to find a new line of work. Perhaps a hard ware store.

AlcoholismI I see where you're coming from. I am adding value and it makes you feel uncomfortable that you nitpick on a few words TSC rather than the whole story like the media ofter does. Anything taken out of context can even make Gandhi look bad. I can offer you more proof in a private message. This is just me, but when I read someone's post and understand the intent behind it, it makes it acceptable. The original post has been written to help understand the people's perception of the biggest unions in Canada. A poll is a great way to see what the majority prefers. Just like every democratic country elects their leader. That is the target audience, it will 100% relate to them. But, it may not relate to you. So, perhaps justmove on and see if you can find another one on here that helps you brother.
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Re: TSC-ALPA vs ACPA

#11 Post by Alcoholism » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:36 am

TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:04 am
Alcoholism wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:50 am
TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:25 am
Sometimes you scream so loud, you cry for attention, but ironically no one's listening.
The only attention whore is you. If you need help there a 1 800 number you can find easily. Whack jobs like you should take a break from flying an airplane. A good mental vacation is perhaps what you need.

Additionally, you can count on your friends here at avcanada to support your endeavours to find a new line of work. Perhaps a hard ware store.

AlcoholismI I see where you're coming from. I am adding value and it makes you feel uncomfortable that you nitpick on a few words TSC rather than the whole story like the media ofter does. Anything taken out of context can even make Gandhi look bad. I can offer you more proof in a private message. This is just me, but when I read someone's post and understand the intent behind it, it makes it acceptable. The original post has been written to help understand the people's perception of the biggest unions in Canada. A poll is a great way to see what the majority prefers. Just like every democratic country elects their leader. That is the target audience, it will 100% relate to them. But, it may not relate to you. So, perhaps justmove on and see if you can find another one on here that helps you brother.
Hi TSC. I would like to play a game. I also like to copy paste replies throughout the forum, derive useless info and waste bandwidth. So if you can do more than I, then the next step shall be revealed.
Alcoholism wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:50 am
TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:25 am
CL-Skadoo! wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 am
I picked up two huge bags of birdseed at TSC today. No need to let my little feathered friends go hungry in the cold.
Sometimes you scream so loud, you cry for attention, but ironically no one's listening.
The only attention whore is you. If you need help there a 1 800 number you can find easily. Whack jobs like you should take a break from flying an airplane. A good mental vacation is perhaps what you need.

Additionally, you can count on your friends here at avcanada to support your endeavours to find a new line of work. Perhaps a hard ware store.
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